Waah! The bot!

So the fake MoxNix has been back for a day, and already he’s crying on about the “bot” in Malma.  This time he’s already giving us clear evidence that this player is a nolifer and not a bot, as if CCP not banning him for 3 years isn’t enough.  He claims that

I waited more than 15 minutes before cutting again, it only took 58 seconds for him to respond this time. That’s pretty much standard operating procedure for him, the first cut might take 4 or 5 minutes before he responds but subsequent cuts are responded to even more quickly, usually less than 1 minute, regardless if I wait 5 minutes or several hours between my own cuts.

The reason the first cut takes longer is because he wasn’t expecting it.  Once he is expecting it he actively watches his orders knowing that he’s got other active orders competing with him.  A bot would cut as soon as it is able, so there would be no difference between the first cut and subsequent cuts.

How long this will go on for is anyone’s guess.  He’s now naming the poor guy obviously hoping more people report him and that a GM who is not paying close enough attention will ban him.  It’s a shame the other MoxNix is such a bad trader that he has to resort to these lies.

Since MoxNix is wondering – No, I’m not the trader you wrongfully claim is botting and the release of his name does not affect me at all.  I don’t think it will affect Vlad either, since CCP will have investigated him multiple times by now and concluded he is not a bot.

MoxNix and his trolls

If you’ve been following this blog, you’ll know it all began around some comments made on MoxNix’s blog.  To cut a long story short, I disagreed that he knew for certain a player (who he has reported multiple times for months to CCP and CCP have not banned) is a botter.  When I did this, it set off something in his brain that caused him to go into an enormous fit of rage.  When I posted evidence the “bot” was in fact not a bot, he started moderating all of his comments so he could remove the truth, thus this blog and my venture into the world of blogging began, which I must say I’m enjoying.

Following that, I’d post a couple of things on his blog now and then, and see how he reacted.  Generally not trolling, some even in support, just to see whether he was able to tell which comments were me (which I made incredibly obvious).  He didn’t, most of them got though.  Little did I know however another troll as hard at work which forced him to move over to disqus comments, which is confusing since disqus comments are easier to troll on.  I was fully preprepared to continue my subtle semi-trolls on disqus, however it seems I was beaten to the punch.  Someone decided to go at him with some pretty colourful language while his blog was unmoderated, which was quite funny to watch.

Today he has posted up stating he is now going to whitelist comments.  So if you do plan on trolling, you have to be good for a little while, get yourself whitelisted, then when you know he will be in bed go nuts across his blog.  This is why the second simplest solution is to simply go with bloggers moderated comments.  The best solution is of course to not be an asshat and attract trolls in the first place.  A rookie trader swinging his weight around because he made a bit of isk over several years, acting like he’s some bigshot is unlikely to attract a positive attitude.

In addition to all of the above is my absolute favourite part of all of this.  I have no idea how many trolls he has attracted.  EVE is full of them, so there’s thousands of potentials, I could reel off names for eternity listing known trolls.  What I do know though is that he seems to be thinking we are all one person.  He knows I’m the commenter “Belgarion” on his blog, that’s undisputed fact.  He also seems to think I’m a random Belgarion who lives in Genesis (which as funny as it sounds is a complete coincidence, not hard with a popular name like that).  He also thinks I’m the “botter” he is accusing.  He first accused me of being a “Lucas alt” (Lucas is a commenter who trolled on his blog in the past), he thinks I’m the commenter who wrecked his disqus yesterday (no idea who that was), and he also seems to think I’m “plox”, who is a commenter that posted on the nosy gamer, his blog and has posted on my last blog post (which again, I have no idea who that is).

In truth, I’m none of these.  When I posted on his blog, I posted under this wordpress account only, but with a different nickname each time.  That’s why it was so funny that he didn’t notice the comments with my name linking to this blog.  Beyond this blog and the comments from this wordpress account I’ve had no interaction with him in game, on his blog or on other blogs.  This is just further convincing me of his serious delusional disorder.  MoxNix, if you do read this, I’ll be straight with you for a moment.  You may want to seek professional help.

I’m back, he’s back and so are the tears

I’m back from my nice Christmas getaway, and it seems I’m not the only one.  MoxNix is back, and what do you know, he’s already whining about the same non-existent botter.  His latest blog post goes on to describe how he reports the same guy for botting every week, then getting upset because he didn’t get banned (because it’s not a bot) started reporting him once per day, then when further getting upset, started reporting him every 5 minutes.  How does he not understand that if this was a bot CCP would have done something.  He isn’t, he’s simply an aggressive nolifing trader.  The fact that MoxNix is also able to be at the keyboard for the same length of time cutting at the same frequency should make it obvious that he’s working within human limits.  The more aggressively he attacks this other trader, the more he proves that the level of activity is sustainable by an actual player.

As you’ll no doubt know from previous posts, I’ve toyed around with this “bot”, and his behaviour is far too inconsistent to be anything more than an aggressive trader.  I’ve been more aggressively undercut in the hubs by people I’ve had conversations with and know for certain are not bots.  Unlike a rookie trader like MoxNix however, I understand the difference, and know how to deal with competition without losing my mind and screaming for CCP to come ban legitimate players I don’t like.  Knowing and accepting that it’s not a bot, there are better ways to fight him out of the market, but that requires competence, while MoxNix it seems runs on rage and tears.

Further to that he’s now started accusing me!  That’s right, the conspiracy theory knows no bounds.  Apparently when I chose to use the name “Belgarion”, an incredibly popular name from some books by David Eddings, to post on MoxNix’s blog I was not the only one, and someone in Genesis is using the same name (with a surname) and happened to buy a PLEX from MoxNix.  The funny thing is, I do live in Genesis anyway, and I have bought items from MoxNix, I’m just not that character.  And no MoxNix, I’m not an alt, friend, family, business partner or a random who thinks you are talking about me.  I’m a fellow trader (a superior one it seems) that can tell when someone is just making things up because they are too poor at trading to deal with legitimate competition.  I didn’t even read your blog before this, and picked Belgarion almost at random (I was re-reading The Malloreon at the time) when wordpress asked me for an alias.  Since you then decided that facts aren’t allowed on your blog, I’ve decided to dedicate just a little time to showing the world just how childish and full of crap you really are.  Thanks for helping with that.

More talk about nonexistent botters

On the other Merchant Monarchy, the other guy is still going on about the botter.  In case you missed this before, the short of it is that MoxNix is trader who was aggressively undercut by a competitor.  When this happened MoxNix decided to accuse this trader of botting publicly claiming he had been botting for years.  While CCP had supposedly been informed, they had done nothing (obviously because the player was not a bot), and when others tried to test out this “bot” by competing with it, the claims he had made about the response and activity times turned out to be completely false.  You can read more about that here in one of my previous posts if you so wish.

Now he’s back claiming once again that there’s this botter, now claiming he must have been slowed down by release changes, rather than like many players simply playing less prior to Christmas.  Beyond this he’s making outrageous claims.  Here’s one from one of his comment on his own post.

I also know for a fact many high end guilds (talking guilds in the top 100 and top 1000 here) had botters in guild who sold other members gold. That was a great way for the botter to explain away large gold transactions.

“He’s a guild mate, I can’t raid but I can help the guild by giving members gold”.

No doubt it’s the same in Eve with corporations and alliances. After all doesn’t it always seem like whenever a major botter gets banned he’s a member of one of the largest corps / alliances?

This must either be incredibly ignorant or a complete fabrication.  The truth is that CCP don’t release who they ban for botting, so to say “doesn’t it always seem like whenever a major botter gets banned he’s a member of one of the largest corps / alliances” can’t be based on any information actually released by CCP.  Sure, people accuse other large alliances of botting, the same as they accuse them of everything else.  That doesn’t mean they actually are, and until CCP break their non-disclosure of information we can’t really see who is and isn’t botting.

It’s both intriguing and disturbing to watch a player with clear problems interacting with others trying to hard to discredit other players to put themselves ahead.  MoxNix: if you can’t handle competition when you are trading, then don’t bother trading.  Attacking other players in this way for playing against you makes you look sad and pathetic.  Simply be a better trader than your competition, if you can, and I don’t know, go do mining if you can’t.

The Basements Dweller’s Need for Respect

Through reading blogs of players like MoxNix, I’ve reach the conclusion that there are certain types of player – likely living the the basement of their mother’s house like MoxNix – who are incapable of socializing with others yet have and intense desire to be respected by other players.  If you read though his blog it’s clear that the reason he lies, posts common topics repeating other players and blocks comments which go against him is because he’s desperately clawing, not to be liked by others, but to give the appearance of being agreed with by others.

By lying, he can put up false claims, such as his attack on an innocent competing trader he claims is botting.  By posting about common topics blindly repeating what others have said he can use them as a test to ensure things he talks about will be things others generally agree with.  Unique topics are difficult for him as successfully posting about a unique topic for yourself requires intellect and enough social skills to convey your thoughts.  Moderation of comments speaks for itself.  It’s easy to look like many people agree with you if almost everyone who doesn’t has their comments refused.

It’s a real shame that people have to live their lives like this.  I pity you MoxNix, I really do.

The lies about botting

Over at the site run by Moxnix, there’s been posting about an EVE player he thinks is botting.  He likes to keep saying how the bot *always* undercuts in minutes, emphasis on the always, getting real mad every time someone suggest he might be wrong and the guy might just be a nolifer.  This will not do.

So I logged in one of my spare traders, took a trip to the region cut the price on the “botter”, and watched.  I was expecting it to be cut within minute, since he *always* does that.  But it didn’t happen.  25 minutes passed, and I thought, “well this isn’t a few minutes at all”, so I took a screenshot and posted it up on his site.  Did it appear? No, it did not.  And this is just one of many.  At least 10 posts with clear evidence or good arguments about the “botter” possibly not being a botter at all just never materialised.

obvious bot

So it appears that if you have anything to say that is against what moxnix is posting, the likelihood is he will moderate out your comment.  Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing, and people should be able to exercise that right wherever they want, not get silenced when it shatters someone’s argument because they’re too precious to be proven wrong.

As for the “bot”, with further playing about it became starkly obvious that this was no bot at all, just a player with way too much time.  This was easy to tell as there were emotionally driven responses to changes in the orders if you posted yours quick enough, even with a margin trade order from one of his alts trying to inflate my prices without risk, as well as the order in the screenshot above reach 45 minutes in age before a different player sold to it with the “bot” still not cutting the order.  A bot would not do this.  Moxnix is just an angry rookie trader who gets mad at people undercutting his prices, and figures he can use his blog to push out lies against another player rather than simply improving his trading ability and beating him fairly.


He’s now come back on his site once again infuriated at the allegations laid against him, now claiming above all else that I’m another poster on his blog, and that somehow a bot not instantly cutting is somehow further proof of a bot.

MoxNix: The player you are attacking is *not* a bot. Bot’s don’t respond in the way this player has responded, and I’ve seen no evidence of any cutting that is beyond the realms of a human nolifer (and you claiming he *always* cuts you instantly is not evidence, it’s hearsay, and it’s biased).  You are obviously just furious that another player dares to compete with your market orders and compete well, so you slander him hoping that he will be scared off by your threats of CCP action.  Well CCP won’t act because he’s not a bot.